Monday, October 24, 2005

And the argument continues....

Tanenbaum has released latest version of Minix, Minix 3...he claims it has come a long way from being a OS used for instructional purposes to being used for regular use...I am amazed to know that the OS kernel is just 4000 lines of binary code...kinda cool !!

Minix is based on Microkernel architecuture similar to big bro's OS (Windows family) ! Release of Minix made me recollect the awesome debate between Linus and Andy T'bm about Monolithic Vs Microkerenel.. Here is debate ...

Raccoon is the mascot for minix, the reason tanenbaum gives for that "Raccoons are small, agile, cute, clever, and eat bugs".... Let us see how much apetite Raccoon has to eat its bugs :)!

and if any of you guys plan to try out Minix let me know if it is stable....


At 2:30 AM, Blogger Pal said...

In Windows We Trust

At 6:55 AM, Blogger Phoenix said...

Agree with ya...Windows has improved a lott...after 98, XP is the most stable version i have seen..I use it for browsing daily and it hardly crashes !

Let us say my VCR is blinking 11:00, i will still use Windows to browse ! ;)

At 9:29 AM, Blogger Monicaatje said...

Hm.... I don't really trust Windows... but I must say I feel now sort of a... conlifct of loyalties with the raccoon... same species, u know? heh :P
Will ask my bor if some of his friends know anything bout Minix's stability... still... don't trust Windows

At 6:22 AM, Blogger kovaiputhalvan said...

Sigh... I've tried out the old versions of Minix, and I didn't like it one bit. My biggest grouse with Minix was that it was *slow*. And, of course, all the other arguments against it that you can find in the famous "Linux is deprecated" debate between Tanenbaum, Linus et al.

Don't get me wrong - I'm no crazed Linux junkie. I run FreeBSD :)

Windoze sucks big time.

I guess I'll test-drive Minix 3 sometime in the future... I'd want to compare it with Linux, the BSD's and Solaris - three neat monolithic OS's. I'd also want to compare it with the latest MacOS and QNX, two snappy, *professional* microkernel OS's. Oh well, I need to find time and hardware :) Let's see, this is one project I'd love to do.

At 6:33 AM, Blogger kovaiputhalvan said...

Neat, the ISO is only 10MB! I just started downloading it, I think I'll test-drive it pretty soon.. maybe next weekend.

Will probably use the beta version of VMWare to test drive this thingy, I don't want anything trashing my hard disk ;) Nah, am too lazy to partition my HD and do the dirty work, that's all.

At 4:55 PM, Blogger Phoenix said...

"I'd want to compare it with Linux, the BSD's and Solaris - three neat monolithic OS's. I'd also want to compare it with the latest MacOS and QNX, two snappy, *professional* microkernel OS's. "

and are you getting paid for it? It will be so cool if that z the case :)

I have no complaints with big bro's OS...I use it extensively for browsing and it runs good !

Let me know how Minix installation goes, coz I cant afford the luxury of a windows crash now...

At 9:16 PM, Blogger kovaiputhalvan said...

I'd love to say that I get paid for doing that, but I can't :).

But the good thing is that my workplace being what it is, these kind of things are subtly encouraged. Nobody asks questions as long as your work is getting done :)

Dude, switch over to something other than Big Bro's OS for browsing! I'm typing this off konqueror on a nice Deb install.

Will let you know about the Minix install - I'm gonna try it next week off an old box that I have at work. Have deadlines to meet till then :)

At 11:01 PM, Blogger kovaiputhalvan said...

I'm probably overdoing it, but I just can't resist this one:

Sex, Drugs and Unix - /nev/dull

The line is not mine, it's from a friend who is an accomplished unix hacker.

Unix Rocks!

At 11:16 PM, Blogger Phoenix said...

Kovai Bro,
I dont know about drugs but the remaining two is for sure /nev/dull :)

At 1:49 AM, Blogger kovaiputhalvan said...

Ah well, every Coffee drinker is also a drug user ;)

At 9:09 AM, Blogger kovaiputhalvan said...

I haven't checked out minix3 yet. I did check out the minix3 website, though. According to the minix3 website, device drivers are around 10% slower than what they were in minix2 - which is definitely not good news!

Which means Minix would be nowhere near monolothic OS's like Linux or the BSDs in terms of performance - leave alone good microkernel OS's like QNX. The minix3 website clearly states that they were more concerned about the correctness of their design than performance... sigh, when will these guys ever learn that performance NEEDS to be factored into the damn design! Why call it a "serious system" then? I remember the kind of time it took minix2 to write a small file into a floppy - you had to wait ages and ages before you finally heard the floppy drive go "chug chug chug" and then wait for ages again. The worst part was that you could do NOTHING in the meantime.

Oh well, maybe minix3 is a serious system in some other sense that I haven't understood yet. I'll give it a spin on Bochs or VMWare beta this weekend, I don't think I will use up precious hard disk real estate for minix.

I checked out MacOSX86 at work today, it looks pretty spiffy and neat.

It runs a modified BSD on top of a Mach microkernel, so it would probably get Andy Tanenbaum's seal of approval.

Of course, I don't need to say anything about user-friendliness (suriyanukke torchlight-a? ;) ).

If I had to pick a microkernel OS, I'd pick OSX86 over minix any day.


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